. >. >> (Standing by). >> CHAIR: Good morning, colleagues and welcome to today's plenary session. In accordance with our agenda and our work plan for this session we are moving to the matter of limitations and exceptions for libraries and archives. Now I need to just caution that, you know, today time is not our friend. So we just need to be a bit efficient in our contributions. We had scheduled to have libraries and archives and VIP this morning. And then we are having broadcasting this afternoon. So we need to be quite efficient. And also in view of the fact that we are starting 45 minutes late. Regarding limitations and exceptions for libraries and archives, at this meeting we need to consider the question of the adoption of the provision document containing comments on the textual suggestions towards an appropriate international legal instrument in whatever form on exceptions and limitations for libraries and archives contained in document SCCR/23/8 provision of costs. In order to include it as a working document of the 24th session of the SCCR. I would like to remind you that the document 23/8 is based on the African group proposal document SCCR/22/12. And the background paper entitled the case for a treaty on exceptions and limitations for libraries and archives, document 23/3 and the proposal on limitations and exceptions for libraries and archives document 23/5. The proposal presented by the delegation of Ecuador as well as objectives and principles for exceptions and limitations for libraries and archives document 23/4. Document 23/8 contains comments and textual suggestions made by the members of the SCCR on the following 11 topics, one preser vaer igs, two right of reproduction and self-guiding copies and three legal, four library lending, five parallel importation, six cross-border uses, seven orphan works restrked and withdrawen works, eight limitations on and archives, nine technical provisions, 10 contracts, 11 right to translate works. (Retracted. ) Member States were invited to send comments to the Secretariat after the previous meeting and those comments have been incorporated. The floor is open for comments. Well, I note that there are no comments. Do you want to adopt this as a working document of this Committee? I see no objection. The document is adopted. Are there any other comments that you would want to make on the issue of libraries and archives? Egypt. >> Egypt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The African group would like to submit additional textual proposals regarding cluster 3, cluster 7, cluster 8 and cluster 11 and we will be submitting those textual proposals to the Secretariat. I would like, of course, them to be captured as part of the working document for libraries and archives. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Thank you. U.S. >> UNITED STATES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We think that the current 23/8 document is an acceptable basis and acceptable working document for continuing our text based work. Mr. Chairman, it is not perfect but we think that in outlining the 11 areas and providing details on them it gives us a good roadmap and a roadmap to help us develop our future work programme on exceptions for libraries and ar chooifs. Certaining the intervention of the Distinguished Delegate of Egypt on behalf the African group we would welcome looking at those proposals for four clusters. We think it would be the normal procedure that everyone on the Committee would get to hear or see that language before it is just goes in to the document. So we would welcome an opportunity to take a look or hear that language when the Africa group is ready. Thank you Mr. Chair. >> CHAIR: European Union. >> European Union: Thank you Mr. Chair. And just following on the intervention of the Delegate from Egypt and from the United States the European Union and its Member States would indeed be interested if we are going to have a discussion of the addition of a further clusters of discussions to see which clusters and in that case as well we may have other items that we will want to add as well to our future work on this issue. So we look forward to hear from the African group and have an exchange on this topic. Thank you. >> CHAIR: U.S. >> UNITED STATES: Thank you Mr. Chair. The Distinguished Delegate of the European Union and our good friend introduced the word cluster back in to the conversation. I hope that was a slip. We assume that these 11 areas, we had heard the Distinguished Delegate of Egypt say that it was material for existing among the 11 areas not for new areas. Without foreclosing the possibility of Member States adding new areas, we want to clarify that it is material that falls under the existing 11 topic areas and I would ask the Distinguished Delegate of Egypt just to confirm that or not. >> CHAIR: Egypt. >> Egypt: Thank you yes, for clarity. These textual proposals are related to existing clusters and specifically cluster 3 deposit repositories. Cluster 7 retracteded and with drun works. Cluster 8 limitations on liability for libraries and archives and cluster 11 the right to translate works. Thank you. (Withdrawn). >> CHAIR: Switzerland. >> SWITZERLAND: Chairman, thank you. I have no further need to speak. Thank you. >> CHAIR: India. >> INDIA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The revised text which has just been adopted as the working document with the clusters, especially the right of reproduction and safeguarding copies, Indian comments have not been included in that. So kindly say that. >> CHAIR: Yes, India, the Secretariat will just confirm that with you. And check what submissions were missed specifically. EU. >> European Union: Thank you Mr. Chair. Without wanting to get in to a terminology use contents here just to confirm our understanding that the document remains an open document. There are still quite a few issues to discuss. Some of those that are part of this content are in our view overlapping to some extent. As some of them as we have made clear in prior interventions are of no particular relevance to limitations and exceptions for libraries and archives and we obviously reserve our right as the work on this open document continues to add further suggestions in whatever form seems to be more appropriate. Thank you very much. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Chile and then U.S. >> CHILE: Chairman, thank you and good morning. I will be very brief. I simply wanted to say that we will provide to the Secretariat one or two brief corrections to our own comments on the document. Thank you. >> CHAIR: U.S. >> UNITED STATES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a small note that we will when we get to talking about a work programme suggest that not only should we discuss how much time we should devote to working on our working document in libraries and archives but it would also behoove us to prioritize or focus on certain of these 11 topics because we truly think that we can make real progress if we identify topics that we can work on in the careful kind of attentive way that we have been working together in informal sessions on visual impairment. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Ecuador. >> Ecuador: Chairman thank you and good morning. The Ecuadoran delegation would like to express its interest in the work in which this Committee may be going to carry out today on the issue of libraries. We would be particularly be interested in looking at the proposals from the African group when the time is right to do that. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Argentina. >> Argentina: Thank you, Chairman. Argentina would like to express its support for the continuation of the process through which we are trying to submit exceptions and limitations to a Copyright, to improve the way that libraries and archives can operate. Argentina would like to express its interest in some of the issues that are being dealt with by this Committee. For example, preservation, interlibrary loans, liability of libraries and archives and technological means of protection. We would like to make the point that this -- this is used under -- the rest of this analysis should continue to be the subject of discussion and that will certainly be the case for us in Argentina. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Thank you. The comit tee takes note of the comments made on this subject matter. And, of course, SCCR 25 will consider the document in detail together with all those submissions that to be made by Delegations. The next item on the agenda is VIP. Colleagues, on the issue of VIP I just want to report that we have had informal consultations last night from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. and so far we have had discussions on the Article A and we have had discussions on Article B. And we had discussions on Article C though we have not yet completed that Article -- no, we completed Article C and we have ended on Article D. Now you will see that this paper, of course, entitled proposals for advice takes for document SCCR 23/7. The idea of, you know, this paper was to try and complete the work on the proposals for revised text so once we go through the proposed revisions then we can add the revised 23, that is the -- whether to propose that to move. So this is the progress so far on this document. I would have loved to have see more progress made and I hope we can still have a bit more progress. I propose that after this reporting and if there are some comments, I suggest that we go in to an informal discussion on VIP and continue working on the text. Are there any comments? India. >> INDIA: Thank you, Chair. In fact, you have done a great service to us by announcing that you are starting informal discussions if there are no comments. In fact, yesterday evening we have done a substantial work. Indian delegation appreciates the spirit of discussions yesterday's informal meeting. And instead of wasting time on general statements on this work, if any specific comments are there that can be taken otherwise we will request you to end this plenary and then we will move to the informal meetings to continue where we have left at D. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Are there any comments on this issue? I see none. This plenary will then adjourn. Yes. Just to be specific on the work for today, during the lunch period, the friends of the Chair will meet to look at the document on education over lunchtime, from 2 p.m., and then in the afternoon, of course, we are coming back to plenary on broadcasting. And in the evening from 6 to 9 p.m. we will have an informal discussion on the conclusions and some of the cross-cutting issues of this session. So that will be 6 to 9 p.m. tonight. That's the order of work today. So Egypt. >> Egypt: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just I think clarity on the time slot for like reviewing the document on education in plenary and hopefully adopting it be a working document for the committee. >> CHAIR: I have mentioned before the idea is to have, you know, the friends of the Chair look at the submissions that were made yesterday. Because it was close of day yesterday. So they will look at the document over lunch and we will have it considered by this Committee in the morning tomorrow. Any other clarifications? I see none. We move to informal on VIP in the usual format. Italy. >> Italy: Yes. Just to say that Group B will meet in room B at 2:30. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Egypt. >> Egypt: Thank you the African group will meet at 2 p.m. in the Bilger room. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Peru. >> Peru: GRULAC will meet at 2:30 as well. Thank you. >> CHAIR: Thank you. Any other announcements? Czech Republic. >> CZECH REPUBLIC: Thank you the CEBs group will meet at 2:30 on the 13th floor. Thank you. >> CHAIR: There have been no other announcements. The plenary is adjourned. (Session concluded)